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Rhishisikk
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PostSubject: Altered Spirit   Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:01 pm

If a deity wins a conflict in which the dice type and scale of their follower's spirit is altered, do they gain Belief based upon the original size and spirit of their followers, or the altered one?

The home rule we went with was the original (permanent) values, but thought we'd get the official ruling for the next time it happens.
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PostSubject: Re: Altered Spirit   Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:22 am

Rhishisikk,

I would say you are correct. If it was based off of the altered values it would be wrong as they are temporary values. Even if the change was permanent humans and other sentient beings get to roll vs. the miracle once a year if it was a forced change.
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PostSubject: Re: Altered Spirit   Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:46 am

If the spirit value was altered with a permanent miracle would you then use that value in conflicts, so long as you kept paying the upkeep?
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PostSubject: Re: Altered Spirit   Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:00 am

forsaken1111 wrote:
If the spirit value was altered with a permanent miracle would you then use that value in conflicts, so long as you kept paying the upkeep?

Yes, yes you would.
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PostSubject: Re: Altered Spirit   Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:50 pm

TheDarkServant wrote:
forsaken1111 wrote:
If the spirit value was altered with a permanent miracle would you then use that value in conflicts, so long as you kept paying the upkeep?

Yes, yes you would.

Nice. That might be a worthwhile miracle to throw out just before some major conflicts.
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PostSubject: Re: Altered Spirit   Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:08 pm

TheDarkServant wrote:
forsaken1111 wrote:
If the spirit value was altered with a permanent miracle would you then use that value in conflicts, so long as you kept paying the upkeep?

Yes, yes you would.

Sorry to double post, but something was brought up to me and I'm curious about it.

Say I lay on my people a permanent miracle to increase their spirit scores to d10, and I keep it up for an entire generation. Would that change pass on to the children and become inherent in the people, breeding true as a deeply spiritual people with a strong connection to the spirit world?
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PostSubject: Re: Altered Spirit   Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:36 am

This would be a GM call, but I would say the next generation and from then on would be a D8 spirit instead of the D 10 mainly for one reason.

1. The second generation, unless they walk with their god directly could never match the spirit of their fathers in faith. Their fathers walked with their god. If their children do not then it would reduce. Even though you spend the points on a generation's worth of spirit, having that high of a spirit score is supernatural.

In order to keep the D 10 for the second generation I would say the god does not have to spend the full miracle amount, but make his presence felt (ie. a ghostly visage every holy season, small miracles such as rain when needed and so forth, just listen to your follower Smile That would translate to at least 1 belief extra on top of the miracle costs per year to keep the followers believing (upkeep).

I hope this answer helps.

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PostSubject: Re: Altered Spirit   Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:42 pm

It does help, thank you.

I'm just glad someone other than me posted on the forums, tbh.
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