If a deity wins a conflict in which the dice type and scale of their follower's spirit is altered, do they gain Belief based upon the original size and spirit of their followers, or the altered one?

The home rule we went with was the original (permanent) values, but thought we'd get the official ruling for the next time it happens.

Rhishisikk,

I would say you are correct. If it was based off of the altered values it would be wrong as they are temporary values. Even if the change was permanent humans and other sentient beings get to roll vs. the miracle once a year if it was a forced change.

If the spirit value was altered with a permanent miracle would you then use that value in conflicts, so long as you kept paying the upkeep?

This would be a GM call, but I would say the next generation and from then on would be a D8 spirit instead of the D 10 mainly for one reason.

1. The second generation, unless they walk with their god directly could never match the spirit of their fathers in faith. Their fathers walked with their god. If their children do not then it would reduce. Even though you spend the points on a generation's worth of spirit, having that high of a spirit score is supernatural.

In order to keep the D 10 for the second generation I would say the god does not have to spend the full miracle amount, but make his presence felt (ie. a ghostly visage every holy season, small miracles such as rain when needed and so forth, just listen to your follower That would translate to at least 1 belief extra on top of the miracle costs per year to keep the followers believing (upkeep).

I hope this answer helps.

Richard Leon

Owner

It does help, thank you.

I'm just glad someone other than me posted on the forums, tbh.